Vice Presidential Debate: 6 Moments That Mattered

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Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump weren’t the focus of tonight’s debate but their policies and campaign promises were at the center of the face-off. The vice presidential contenders — Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine and Indiana Gov. Mike Pence — were the stars of the evening as they made their cases for their respective running mates.

Here are some of the highlights of the evening’s event.

Kaine Tries Out His Lines

Right out the gate, Kaine introduced a line that he seemed to have been working on during his days of debate prep.

“On the economy, there’s a fundamental choice for the American electorate,” Kaine said. “Do you want a you’re hired president in Hillary Clinton or a you’re fired president in Donald Trump.”

Kaine continued, saying, “that’s not such a hard choice” and explaining what he called their “hired plan.”

Pence pounced on the line calling it “pre-done.”

“Well, first, let me say I appreciated the ‘you’re hired, you’re fired’ thing, senator,” Pence said, dripping with sarcasm. “You used that a whole lot. I think your running mate used a lot of pre-done lines.”

Pence continued to hit Kaine and Clinton, saying the ticket wants to “run this economy into a ditch.”

Pence Backs His Running Mate Over Tax Questions

Pence stood by his running mate and his decision to accept a tax provision following what Pence described as “some pretty tough times 20 years ago.”

Pence was asked about the recent revelations that Trump may not have paid federal income taxes for 18 years after reporting a $916 million loss in 1995, as first reported by The New York Times this weekend.

“His tax returns showed he went through a very difficult time, but he used the tax code just the way it’s supposed to be used and he did it brilliantly,” Pence said.

Pence went on to praise Trump as someone who “actually built a business” and used the tax code “that actually is designed to encourage entrepreneurship.”

Kaine criticized Trump for having “broken his first promise,” saying Trump claimed in 2014 that he would release his tax returns if he decided to run for office.

“Governor Pence had to give Donald Trump his tax returns to show he was qualified to be vice president. Donald Trump must give the American public his tax returns to show that he’s qualified to be president and he is breaking his promise,” Kaine said.

Trump has repeatedly said that his taxes are under audit and he said that he will release them after the audit is complete.

Candidates and Crosstalk

Perhaps it was the more intimate setting, with the two candidates seated at a table within arm’s length rather than at lecterns. Or maybe it was the early expectation that tonight’s debate would be more civil than contentious, but both candidates seemed to feel free to interrupt and talk over each other throughout the 90-minute face off.

Kaine took an aggressive approach early on, interrupting Pence several times. And Pence followed suit later on.

There was so much cross-talk during an exchange over whether Trump would release his tax returns that the moderator, CBS News’ Elaine Quijano, interjected: “Gentlemen, the people at home cannot understand either one of you when you talk over each other.”

And again later into the debate during another feisty exchange, Quijano pleaded for the two candidates to speak one at a time, “Gentlemen, please!”

The Debate Over Insults

Which campaign has thrown more insults at their opponents?

Pence and Kaine sparred over that question. It was clear coming into tonight’s debate that Pence would be called on to defend some of his running mate’s more controversial comments and tonight Kaine brought them up.

“There is fundamental respect issue here,” Kaine said. “And I just want to talk about the tone set from the top. Donald Trump during this campaign has called Mexicans rapists and criminals, he’s called women slobs, pigs, dogs, disgusting. I don’t like saying that in front of my wife and my mother. He attacked an Indiana-born federal judge and said he was unqualified to hear a federal lawsuit because his parents were Mexican. He went after John McCain, a P.O.W., and said he wasn’t a hero because he’d been captured. He said African Americans are living in hell. And he perpetrated this outrageous and bigoted lie that president Obama is not a U.S. Citizen.”

Kaine added, “I cannot believe that Governor Pence will defend the insult-driven campaign that Donald Trump has run.”

Pence fired back, calling Kaine’s critique an “avalanche of insults.”

“He says ours is an insult-driven campaign? Did you all just hear that? Ours is an insult-driven campaign?” Pence asked. “To be honest with you, if Donald Trump had said all of the things that you said he said in the way you said he said them, he still wouldn’t have a fraction of the insults that Hillary Clinton leveled when she said that half of our supporters were a basket of deplorables.”

Pence added a few minutes later: “Senator, you and Hillary Clinton would know a lot about an insult-driven campaign.”

Hillary Clinton agreed with her running mate’s accusation, tweeting, “Yes Trump and Pence are running an insult-driven campaign. Donald’s literally doing it right now. #VPDebate,” tweeting an re-tweet from Trump during the debate when one of his supporters wrote, “Kaine looks like an evil crook out of the Batman movies.”

Pence Puts Russia on the Table

In spite of the questions that have been raised about the former Trump campaign manager’s ties to Ukraine and Trump’s repeated praise of Vladimir Putin, Pence was the one to bring up Russia during tonight’s debate.

Pence first linked Clinton’s time as secretary of state to “the newly emboldened aggression of Russia whether in Ukraine,” before the moderator paused that discussion and revisited Russia when asking about the situation in Syria.

He went on to describe Putin as “small and bullying leader of Russia” when specifically talking about the role Russia has played in Syria. That description comes in clear contrast to that of Pence’s running mate, as Trump has previously praised Putin as a “strong” leader.

Pence went on to say that “the provocations by Russia need to be met with American strength. And if Russia chooses to be involved and continue, I should say to be involved in this barbaric attack on the civilians in Aleppo, the United States of America should be prepared to use military force to strike military targets of the Assad regime.”

“Let me say, this whole Putin thing — America is stronger than Russia,” Pence said later.

Kaine Implies Trump Is a ‘Fool or Maniac’ with Nuclear Weapons

In what began as a segment with questions directed to both candidates on Syria, Kaine pivoted to attacking Trump’s temperament.

“Let me tell you what would really make the Middle East dangerous: Donald Trump’s idea that more nations should get nuclear weapons,” Kaine argued.

“Ronald Reagan said something really interesting about nuclear proliferation back in the 1980s. He said the problem with nuclear proliferation is that some fool or maniac could trigger a catastrophic event,” Kaine added.

“And I think that’s who Governor Pence’s running mate is. Exactly who President Reagan warned us of,” Kaine said of Trump.

“Oh, come on, Senator. Senator, that was even beneath you and Hillary Clinton,” Pence responded. “And that’s pretty low.”

Trump names Pence as running mate

Trump (Right)..., Pence, a Catholic, earned a law degree from Indiana University in 1986 and ran two unsuccessful congressional campaigns before getting elected in 2000.
Trump (Right); Pence, a Catholic, earned a law degree from Indiana University in 1986 and ran two unsuccessful congressional campaigns before getting elected in 2000.

Donald Trump put to rest Friday the speculation and revealed the worst-kept secret in Washington: Indiana Gov. Mike Pence will be his running mate.

Trump had originally planned to roll out his pick at a news conference in New York on Friday, but postponed the event because of the terror attack in Nice, France. Per his tweet, that event will take place Saturday morning.

While the initial postponement of Trump’s announcement fueled speculation that he might be having second thoughts, it was widely expected that Pence was in line for the job.

The Pence pick follows a very-public vetting process that included meetings in recent days with Pence, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, among others. The selection of Pence, who went from dark horse to leading contender in a matter of days, presumably is aimed at galvanizing support from the party’s conservative base as Trump charges into the Republican nominating convention.

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Pence was selected from a slimmer-than-usual short-list — of candidates not only favored by Trump but also willing to stake their political future on the unconventional and unpredictable White House contender. Several prominent names publicly took themselves out of the running.

Pence, also a former member of House Republican leadership, emerged relatively late in the vice presidential stakes.

But he moved almost immediately to the top of the list, considering he gives the Trump campaign much-needed social conservative credentials without the kind of political baggage that Democrats had hoped to exploit in other finalists like Christie or Gingrich.

Consideration of Pence also put Trump on the clock. Pence faced a Friday deadline to file paperwork to appear on the official state ballot as either a gubernatorial or vice presidential candidate. Under state law, his name could not appear on the ballot twice. Fox News learned Thursday Pence would not seek re-election, a clear sign he was gearing up for the VP announcement. And on Friday, he filed the paperwork to withdraw.

The Hillary Clinton campaign quickly unloaded on Trump’s decision, calling him “the most extreme pick in a generation.”

“By picking Mike Pence as his running mate, Donald Trump has doubled down on some of his most disturbing beliefs by choosing an incredibly divisive and unpopular running mate known for supporting discriminatory politics and failed economic policies that favor millionaires and corporations over working families,” campaign Chairman John Podesta said in a statement.

Pence, now in a tough re-election bid, spent 12 years in Congress including as the leader of the House Republican Conference.

While Democrats are hammering his Tea Party ties in Congress, the 57-year-old Pence also could help Trump with critical fundraising, considering the Trump campaign has roughly $1.3 million in the bank as of the last filing, compared with Clinton, whose campaign has $42 million and a network of donors assembled through her lengthy career in politics.

Pence’s deputy chief of staff was a former spokesman for Koch Industries and his chief of staff in Congress later ran the Koch brothers’ political umbrella organization.

Still, Pence is not without some negatives, particularly his handling last year of the so-called Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

The original law, which he signed, allowed residents and companies being sued by a private party to cite their religious beliefs as a defense. However, critics argued the law would allow discrimination against gays and others.

The national and widespread criticism was so damaging it forced Pence and the state legislature to revise the law to clearly prohibit businesses from denying services to customers based on their sexual preference or gender choice. And it appeared to end Pence’s 2016 presidential aspirations.

But he was considered for VP at a time when many Republicans are steering clear of the Trump campaign and national convention. The usual clamoring to be considered for running mate didn’t happen this year, in part because potential candidates were concerned about Trump’s stances and comments, particularly on immigration, women, Mexicans and Muslims.

Some supporters thought Trump had top-tier candidates in Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and first-term Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst, who might have helped Trump better connect with women voters.

However, both dropped out earlier this month. Corker declined after appearing with Trump at only one campaign event.

Pence, a Catholic, earned a law degree from Indiana University in 1986 and ran two unsuccessful congressional campaigns before getting elected in 2000.

While in Congress, he opposed President George W. Bush’s No Child Left Behind policy, warning it would grow the federal government. In 2006, he unveiled a “no amnesty” immigration plan that called for increased border security and other measures but it did not pass. He also pushed to cut off federal funding to Planned Parenthood and opposed closing the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.

Though Pence ascended the House ranks to eventually become part of the chamber’s GOP leadership, he lost a bid in 2006 to then-Ohio Rep. John Boehner to become the chamber’s GOP minority leader. Pence passed on the opportunity to run for Senate in 2010, then made trips to early-voting states Iowa and South Carolina, which fueled speculation that he would run for president, until he launched his bid for governor in May 2011.

“Pence is a through-and-through conservative,” said Caleb Burns, a Republican strategist and partner in the Washington law firm Wiley Rein, adding Pence could “energize the workhorses of the party.”

He said: “Given the options, Pence was the really the only one who delivered any amount of value to the campaign. … There was no real contingency that either Gingrich or Christie would have given you — neither geographically nor in some pocket of the party.”

Had he not been picked, Pence would have been facing Democrat John Gregg for a rematch of their 2012 gubernatorial face-off which Pence won by a narrow margin; polls this year suggested a rematch would be similarly close.

Trump didn’t meet with Pence and his wife until July 2, at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J.

They appeared together at a rally in central Indiana, then at a Trump high-dollar fundraiser in Indianapolis – before Trump ultimately made his choice.

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